President Bush Participates in Panel on School Safety (Text Only)

President Bush Participates in Panel on School Safety
National 4-H Conference Center
Chevy Chase, Maryland

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. (Applause.) Thank you all for coming. In many ways, I'm sorry we're having this meeting. In other ways, I know how important it is that we're having this meeting. The violence that has been occurring in our schools is incredibly sad and it troubles a lot of folks. And it troubled me and Laura. And so I asked Margaret and Al to host a gathering of concerned citizens, the purpose of which is to come up with best practices and just shared experiences so that others might know how to react to prevent and react to inexplicable and -- violence that is hard to imagine.

All of us in this country want our classrooms to be gentle places of learning, places where people not only learn the basics -- basic skills necessary to become productive citizens, but learn to relate to one another. And our parents I know want to be able send their child or children to schools that are safe places. And the violence we've seen is upsetting to a lot of people and I know it's upsetting to the professionals who are with us. But rather than be upset, it's best for all of us who are responsible for helping the folks not only cope, but to prevent action from taking place, it's best to be proactive. And that's what this meeting is.

And so I want to thank you all for joining. I got a firsthand report on one of the panels from Laura, who said that -- I think if I could summarize your words, it was like really interesting and very important. And so I thought what I would do is ask Al and Margaret to begin this session and maybe hear from some of the folks here, and then, if time permitting, hear from you all out in the audience.

Again, I want to thank Margaret and Al for setting this up, and really thank you all for coming and taking an interest. I know we got people from all around the country, and it's -- this is a nationwide effort to help people who are responsible protect our children.

ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES: Mr. President, thank you for asking Margaret and I to host this important conference. We've had some good panel discussions, as you've already heard already. You've met some of the panelists we've invited back. And just for our audience, again, we've asked Dr. Marleen Wong, Craig Scott, Fred Ellis, and Sheriff Jeff Dawsy to help us speak with the President about this important issue.

Mr. President, I'm going to talk a bit about the panel that I moderated which dealt with the scope of the problem from the law enforcement perspective.

Margaret is going to talk to you a little bit about the two other panels that we've heard from today -- one dealing with responding to the tragedy, prepared for the tragedy at the parent level and the school level. And the other is how do communities heal, how do they recover from these kinds of tragedies.

With respect to the first panel, the good news we heard was that, generally, America's schools are safe places to be. Your kids are much more likely to be safer in school than they are at the mall. And that's the good news. We are, however, are seeing some indications in the last two years that those trends are changing. And so that's something that we want to watch very carefully, monitor that and see what can be done to reverse it, if, in fact, that is a trend that we need to be worried on.

We also learned that the U.S. Secret Service and other federal agencies are doing a lot of good work already in dealing with this issue. The Secret Service, in particular, has been working on a threat assessment guide that they make available. And there is someone in the audience that I would like to have come to the microphone. He is Police Chief Art Kelly from New Bedford, Massachusetts, and he wants to relay to you an example where he relied upon the information by the Secret Service in an actual case.

THE PRESIDENT: Let me ask you a question, Al -- not you, Chief, but -- well, I can ask you, too. I presume out of this there will be a series of best practices that you will share with principals and schools districts that explain, for example, what people could look for to determine whether or not there's an early warning sign, and then how to respond.

ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES: Mr. President, we also heard from Tom Kube, of the Council of Educational Facility Planners, who talked to us about school design, and that the way we design our schools can be helpful in protecting our children.

We had an interesting discussion about metal detectors. Some of the panel members -- they don't believe it's an effective tool preventing violence; one in five school shootings occur outside the school building, so they couldn't help in any event. Our students, as we know, are very smart and resourceful and they figure out a way to avoid metal detectors. Also one panel member said that it sends the wrong message about what we think of our kids when we have them come to an environment where they're supposed to learn and have to pass through metal detectors. So I found that to be very, very interesting.

ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES: Yes, sir. We also then spent a lot of time talking about information sharing. This is very, very important, in terms of gathering up information and being able to share it with not just parents, but administrators, events happening at home. And I'd like Sheriff Dawsy to talk a little bit about this point.

THE PRESIDENT: Is there an opportunity to share between sheriffs around the country how they're dealing with this issue? Does it make sense to have the National Sheriff's Association contact -- ask for stories, practices, and then condense them and send them back out so that people can -- who probably aren't listening to this will be able to --

SHERIFF DAWSY: I think it would be a wonderful initiative. One of the things I learned today was not more about questions, but more of solutions. There was many different speakers that came up and told us about different resources to use.

ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES: Mr. President, I think that Sheriff Dawsy would say that this program helps him to do his job, which means that I'm sure all the sheriffs around the country would like that kind of program, as well, to help them do their job.

THE PRESIDENT: That's my point. Yes, so who is responsible for talking to the head of the Sheriff's Association or the police chiefs to make sure that happens?

ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES: Sir, one final point I would just like to emphasize, and that is, there are many schools that have plans in terms of how to deal with a threat or an incident that occurs, but the plans are worthless if people don't know about them, if they're not dusted off, if people don't practice them. And as the Secretary indicated earlier this morning, there's a lot of turnover that occurs in the school between the faculty, the administration, between students and families. And it's very, very important for schools to understand what the plans are and to practice those plans. It made a big difference two weeks ago in terms of the shooting in Bailey, Colorado, where they were able to respond in a very effective manner to that tragedy. And so that's a very important thing that needs to be emphasized over and over again.

There were many other points that we discussed, Mr. President, and I think we made some good progress in this area.

SECRETARY SPELLINGS: Thank you, Mr. President. That's a good place to begin on panel number two -- we call this in education a teachable moment, because we have plans, lots of work has been done post-9/11, post-Katrina and other incidents, but if parents, teachers and faculty are not aware of what's been done, then they're worthless. And so on panel two we talked a lot about readiness. We talked about how to create a school culture that was supportive and nurturing, that when young people have connections with adults, caring adults, how important that is; how there are signs to watch for; that a lack of academic success and other things like the Sheriff talked about are clues, that are ways that we might intervene.

We also talked about the need for constant communication and coordination between school personnel and law enforcement. We talked about how every community is unique and individualized, that those are decisions and discussions that have to happen at the local level. So we also figured out ways or talked about ways to continue to develop those relationships and strategies around those sorts of things.

Fred Ellis, who is the head of school safety in Fairfax County, my school district, and is also a member of my commission that's part of the No Child Left Behind Act, the Commission on Safe and Drug-Free Schools -- Fred serves on that. We'll be meeting in the next few weeks and giving them some new charges that came out of our meeting today. But I'd like Fred to speak about some of the things that he's experienced.

Fairfax County is considered to be one of the national models, national leaders in this area. So, Fred, thank you for your work.

THE PRESIDENT: Did you say 81 percent of the students were aware of a violent act?

MR. ELLIS: Some of the data that I had heard today from the Secret Service and some of their research, that much information was out there.

THE PRESIDENT: It seems like a pretty good opportunity to prevent an attack if 81 percent of the -- there's an 81 percent awareness of a potential attack, which then I guess would lead to making sure principals explain to students, when you hear something, please tell me.

MR. ELLIS: Yes, sir. I think that's part of the point, is that there needs to be a culture, a climate in a school where students and faculty and staff and visitors feel comfortable with reporting stuff. Particularly at the student level, because we know that they do talk about it, but they have to have -- they have to feel comfortable that, one, they know where to go to report this information, and that there's going to be a useful and successful outcome and intervention to prevent some violence.

SECRETARY SPELLINGS: We also heard from a gentleman named Jim Moore, who founded a program called Project Watch D.O.G.S., which is basically dads coming into schools and being role models, modeling good behavior and being a presence. Another way that we can kind of be alert for behavioral patterns and the like is to make sure that we have as many grown-ups in schools as we possible can.

So, Jim, thank you for your work. He's from Arkansas -- actually, he's from La Mesa.

Anyway, in panel three we talked about recovery and healing, and how it takes time. And we learned from our professionals, like Marleen Wong, who I've had the opportunity to get to know as she helped us and helped communities on the Gulf Coast deal with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. She's been an asset to the Department of Education in our work for a very long time. And she's from Los Angeles, works at the LA Unified School District.

We know also that these sorts of incidents can occur in inner-city America and Amish communities, private schools, public schools -- really every single community has to be alert. So, Marleen, why don't you talk a little bit about your work in Los Angeles.

THE PRESIDENT: Is it typical of a student that expresses a wish to die, makes that clear to his or her peers and to -- if people are attuned to what that means, to pay attention to somebody who exhibits the behavior that says, I am depressed and I want to die? I mean, is it -- it's a pretty strong statement.

DR. WONG: It's a wonderful question, because there are -- there are behaviors and there are expressions of hopelessness that come before that. And so I think we have to do a lot of education with just folks who say, you know, they've changed, they don't have joy in life, and that this is an early warning sign.

THE PRESIDENT: But is it easy to define the behavior that would tip off an adult in a school, or some -- a coach or an art teacher that this is the kind of behavior that ought to say to us, we better pay attention to this person, this child?

DR. WONG: Yes. There's a short list, and actually, the student who sat on the previous panel did an excellent job of naming all of those things. I was so proud of her. I thought she ought to come and do some training with our --

THE PRESIDENT: And how many educators do you think that can name -- good job, by the way -- how many adults do you think around the schools in America can name the traits that would say, we better pay attention to this person?

THE PRESIDENT: And therefore, what can we do to make sure that people understand what to look for? It seems like to me that a lot of our focus ought to be on preventing. And no question, we ought to worry about recovering, but preventing is -- makes the recovering not necessary.

SECRETARY SPELLINGS: Chiarasay, you did such a nice job this morning, why don't you go to the microphone real quick and tell us the nine signs -- (applause.)

MS. PERKINS: Some of the traits that are noticeable are changes in everyday habits. If you know friends -- stuff like playing sports, he won't play sports; grade averages dropping; they start acting different they start eating different, dressing different, carrying themselves in a different manner as you would normally know them -- are just some of the small things that you as a friend or as a teacher or parent could notice that will bring upon a change in the case if they are depressed, or feeling as thought they want to commit suicide, or hurt somebody or themselves.

THE PRESIDENT: Let me ask you a question. From your experience, Marleen, if a teacher were to notice those traits, is it typical that someone would act on them? In other words, I'm just trying to make sure I understand. If a student sees -- I mean, a teacher sees a student begin to change clothes and begin to -- does a principal and a teacher tend to say, well, that's really not my business, it's the parents' business? In other words, awareness requires, by the way, some kind of response.

DR. WONG: I think that more and more people are beginning to pay attention just because we have paid such a dear price for ignoring some of the warning signs.

THE PRESIDENT: So maybe an outcome for this is to encourage -- for you to get in touch with the principals organizations or the teachers organizations and help --

THE PRESIDENT: And then -- I guess there's a certain confidence that has to come with interfering -- not interfering, but interceding in a child's life. My only question is, is there hesitancy when an adult says, well, maybe this is just the way it's supposed to be, or maybe it's none of my business. And the question is if that's the case -- if you can determine that's the case, how do you get people to respond differently?

SECRETARY SPELLINGS: Cathy Paine, from Oregon, told us about -- where they had an incident there, that there were dozens of signs of this particular shooter, and that the full picture didn't become clear until after the incident.

MS. PAINE: Thank you, Mr. President. I was a school psychologist in Springfield, Oregon when the shooting happened there in 1998. And the point I was making was that for our shooter, yes, there were things that individuals knew about him; his parents knew some things, teachers saw a few things, but at no time was there a way for all of those people, in a sense, to get together and share that entire picture. So 20-20 hindsight has been very good, and we've been able to say, ah-hah and see how all that fit together.

But because of -- whether it's lack of resources or lack of knowledge, we didn't have a mechanism for that to happen. We're trying to do a better job with that now, in forming what we call care teams in our schools where teachers regularly do get together and share concerns about students, and then we try to connect them with our mental health services in the community.

THE PRESIDENT: The whole purpose of this exercise is to help educate and, if there needs to be cultural change inside schools, for teachers to become more aware and more active -- or principals -- is to try to stimulate these kinds of discussions, obviously, outside of Washington, at the local level or state levels, in the hopes of preventing these from happening in the first place.

Thank you for coming to share your experience and appreciate you're sharing your expertise.

SECRETARY SPELLINGS: One of the people who's been doing that in a very meaningful way is Craig Scott, who has talked all over the country to teenagers and teachers and educators and school leaders. And he has a very powerful story, as you know. His sister, Rachel, was murdered in Columbine.

MR. SCOTT: Well, just to give a little background, I was in the school library during the shooting. I had 10 classmates that were killed around me. I lost two friends underneath a table, and then later that same day learned that my sister, Rachel Joy Scott, was the first one that was killed. And really I've been just now traveling over the last seven years just sharing a simple story of compassion. And it's had a huge impact on the school culture. Kids really have looked to her as a role model. She's been a hero to a lot of kids.

And last night I just was looking back over the last seven years and I was in my hotel room and I just journaled, and I wanted to express real quick over the next couple minutes, just read to you what I wrote in my journal that expresses my feelings best.

I said: Once upon a time, our goal of education in our country was, first and foremost, character. Academic achievement is now the main goal. I knew two students at Columbine that achieved the goal of knowledge. Eric Harris and Dylan Kleibold were very smart. They planned the shooting for a year and predicted the events that would unfold afterwards. The problem wasn't their education at my school, Columbine. Their problem was their character.

I've grown up in a culture today that doesn't teach me anything of substance, of value, how it bombards me every day with messages of emptiness and shallowness. And the youth are crying for something to stand for, something to believe in. If it weren't for my faith or my family, I possibly could have fallen into the lies that our culture tells us. But now I've traveled, I've spoken to over a million teens across this country. I've not always seen -- I've not always liked what I've seen in the schools. I've seen depression, anger and loneliness, students without direction or purpose. I've seen students who called themselves cutters, have cut themselves because that's the way they know to take out the pain that they're dealing with. I've learned a lot about my generation. And I've learned a lot since I lost my friends and my sister. And the main thing I've learned is that kindness and compassion can be the biggest antidotes to anger and hatred, and I believe the biggest antidotes to violence.

With the program my father started called, Rachel's Challenge, a program my mom speaks for called, Life Choices, we've seen bullying stopped, suicides aborted. We have 10 incidents where a student came up with hit lists or plans to shoot up his or her -- his school, all male -- and told either the speaker or told the teacher about their plans, but had a change of heart. As a side-effect, we've seen -- and our statistics have shown and the more our program -- has been a rise in school attendance and an increase in academic achievement.

How have we done it? We've done it with a simple story of a young girl who believed in compassion and was killed for her faith. That was the story of Rachel Joy Scott. But my sister is not the only one who believes in kindness, and she's not been the only one in her brave stance against the injustice willing to stand up for the one who gets put down in school, to sit by the student that sits all alone at lunch, and to talk to or reach out to the one who is consistently ignored or made fun of. She literally has inspired millions of people to continue the chain reaction she started. A lot of those are students across the country.

I've read Eric Harris and Dylan Kleibold's journals that were recently released, and basically Eric wrote in one of his journals, "If only you were nicer to me, maybe this wouldn't have happened."

I don't know who else is tired of band-aid answers, but I know band-aids aren't going to save kids from dying. I give every student out there a challenge my sister put down on paper a month before she died when she wrote for her class -- she said, "I have this theory that if one person can go out of their way to show compassion, it will start a chain reaction of the same. People will never know how far a little kindness can go."

I challenge every teacher, principal and superintendent and educator here today to take a look at teaching that doesn't just teach the head, but teaches the heart. The students today that I've met are looking for truth. You can help point them to what's right and what's wrong. Truth is not all relative, despite what our culture or pop culture tells us.

To parents in the room today, please love your kids like my parents love me, like my parents loved Rachel. To the media and entertainment industry, I would give the challenge to take responsibility, own up to the product -- (applause) -- own up to the product that you create and the effect that it has on its audience, that two shooters were very much impacted and influenced by violence through the media and dwelled on violent video games, violent movies, music, and things they saw through the Internet, and is a common theme with a lot of these shooters that they've chosen very negative influences in their life. I believe there needs to be the positive influences that are highlighted on our television and through our media.

You're a powerful institution affecting my generation every day. Please think about, when releasing your next movie, your next song, your next game, your next headline story. I myself am a film maker, and I want to create movies that inspire, build people up with stories of ennobling characters.

To the lawmakers and politicians who want to slap those band-aids on deep, gaping wounds, I'm simply going to repeat a poem that my dad read to the House Judiciary of Congress several months after the Columbine shooting where he said:

I'm not promoting that religion be brought back to schools. I don't believe that's the answer. But I do believe in education that touches and teaches the heart and helps form the character. And I believe if that can be implemented in the education on a daily basis, we'll see a change. I'm not out to change the world, just to change one person, one teen at a time. And I've finished with, just please take my words to heart today. They were bought at a high price. (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT: Good job. (Applause.) Whew. (Applause.) Which one of us up here can now talk after that? Thank you. Yes, that's great. You are changing our society. You may not realize it, but thank you -- powerful statement.

I'd be glad to hear from people in the audience. (Laughter.) Yes, I probably won't be able to hear from all of you in the audience.

Q Mr. President, I haven't had this feeling since I was 17 and that's the last time that I asked you a question in Herbert, Texas. I've spoken to hundreds of thousands of people since. Last time I was nervous was when I was 17 in Herbert, Texas, and you were campaigning in Herbert, Texas.

THE PRESIDENT: Don't tell them I came in second place in a two-man race. (Laughter.)

Q My name is Pete Vargas. I'm the national director for Rachel's Challenge, the program --

Q -- that Craig just talked about. And I want to echo something that's very dear to my heart and Darrel, his father who is sitting right here.

THE PRESIDENT: Your dad is there? Where is your dad? Excuse me. Okay, thank you. Raised a good man here.

Q I talk to thousands of educators every month, our team does, thousands. And one of the things that disturbs me is there's hundreds that say, Pete, you all have change the culture of our school, but then there's thousands that say, it's so hard for us to fit our -- we want your program so bad, but we have testing and testing and testing and this and that, and it made me think about something, President. It made me think about growing up -- I was going the wrong direction completely. I was stealing, I was doing everything possibly wrong -- vandalism, beating up kids. And in 7th grade there was a teacher, Mrs. Muldanado, who touched my heart. In 10th grade there was a lady that you know from Herbert, Texas, that touched my heart. And in ninth grade my tennis coach touched my heart, and those three people changed my life. And as we -- why I believe in what I'm doing so much is Darrel's motto is that if we touch the heart of the kid, the head will follow. If we touch their heart, the head will follow, and the hands will make the difference.

My question to you today is, I don't want us to look at the warning signs; I want us to eliminate the warning signs.

Q What can we do -- what can we do, and this is echoing Darrel and what Craig just said -- what can we do from the government's standpoint to go back to touching the heart of the kid, to teaching character education? Because we hear that all the time about the testing.

THE PRESIDENT: I agree. Pete, let me say -- first on the tests. Thanks for coming. It's good to see you again. I was probably more nervous than you were when you asked the question. (Laughter.)

First, in terms of testing, I don't think it's zero sum. I think you can make sure a child learns and I think you can instill character at the same time. I don't think you have to choose. As a matter of fact, I know we can't say that one doesn't beget the other. I happen to believe that self-esteem comes when a child realizes he or she can read early at grade level. And I think one of the real problems -- I think one of the real problems we have, Pete, is a school system across the country that basically gives up on children because we don't measure to determine whether or not they have the skills necessary to read, for example.

And so I'm concerned about a system that socially promotes children, because I think that at some point in time, that begins to affect a child's vision of the future, and a grim vision of the future may be that which triggers a response that is negative.

Character education is -- I know we funded quite a bit of it when I was the governor of Texas. Let me put the funding issue right on the table. The federal government is a limited funder of education. And I happen to believe that's the way it should be. I don't think it's possible for the people to have expectations that the government should fund public schools. This is a local responsibility. It's been that way throughout our history. I think it makes sense to do so, because it tends to make control of our schools more localized, which I happen to think is the best way to achieve excellence.

And so, therefore, not to try to pass responsibilities, although we do have character education grants out of Washington, and we've got school safety grants out of Washington, but the best place to facilitate that kind of initiative, to make sure that character is taught in schools, is at the state level.

Secondly, it's really important, Pete, that people not think government is a loving entity. Government is law and justice. Love comes from the hearts of people that are able to impart love. And therefore, what Craig is doing is -- he doesn't realize it -- he's a social entrepreneur. He is inspiring others to continue to reach out to say to somebody who is lonely, I love you. And I'm afraid this requires a higher power than the federal government to cause somebody to love somebody. And therefore, it's a -- (applause) -- and therefore, one of the things we can do, though, is to call upon people -- we've got the USA Freedom Corps Initiative, for example, that calls on volunteers to take active participation in their communities.

You know, Craig said something interesting. I believe societies change one heart at a time. I don't mean to mimic what you said, but I was actually praising what you said, because that's how it works. And the truth of the matter is, if we really think about it, the primary responsibility, the primary teacher of character is the parent. That is the front line of enabling our society to be a compassionate, decent place. You wouldn't be sitting here if your mother and father hadn't instilled in you a -- something inside your soul that caused you to sit here in front of the President of the United States and give an unbelievably eloquent testimony about compassion.

And the second line of defense in schools is, obviously, teachers. And the hope is, is that out of this violence and terror comes this notion that teachers have got to be -- and by the way, the teachers have got an unbelievably hard job to not only teach, but to show concern and compassion. They've got their own lives to live, they've got their own families to raise many times, and now they've got to deal with yet another family situation, Pete. But yet, nevertheless, that is where the compassion -- you notice, you didn't say, I went to a program. You named three individuals that were heroic in your lives. And that's the way it works.

Now, teaching character matters, no question about it, and there's some great curriculum to do it. But the truth of the matter is, all this need to say, I love you, comes from your soul. And so, hopefully, out of these tragedies will come the sense of communal obligation all throughout our country, for people to take an extra effort to comfort the lonely. That could be a student or a teacher -- Pete, in your case, a tennis coach. Still got a backhand? Anyway, thank you, buddy. It's good to see you again.

Q Up until yesterday, I was a Walt Disney imagineer for 16 years, but I have quit that activity to commit myself for the rest of my life to a character education program that my sister and her husband and I created 15 years ago, on a little island in the Pacific Northwest, called The Virtues Project. And it is exactly what I think many people are looking for, because it reaches the heart, it is a multi-faith, multi-cultural effort to simply teach five strategies that help people practice virtues in everyday life.

What we've learned in 85 countries where this is applied is that values are culture specific; virtues are universal to every sacred tradition. So simply practicing virtues in the home, in the school, in the workplace makes a shift in the culture.

And I am offering my love and my admiration for so many goodwilled people in this room for bringing this group of people together. It's so exciting. And we're simply here to support whatever is going on.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, thanks for doing what you're doing. See, this is a -- our country is blessed by the fact that we have people who stand up and say, I want to contribute, like you. Just retired yesterday? You don't look a day over 60. Anyway. (Laughter.)

But, see, Craig, what you're doing and what this gentleman is doing will stimulate a lot of -- as you said, you've talked to a million kids, or a million people -- same with you, sir. I believe that there is no single answer, no single program. It's a mosaic of programs all stimulated because people have decided to do something about the problem. And it's really the uniqueness of the country.

I like to remind our fellow citizens that de Tocqueville recognized this in 1832, the fact that voluntary organizations came together to help solve local problems. And it is -- in my judgment, it is this capacity of citizens to take action to solve problems that defines the true greatness of America.

And, Pete, to answer your question about government, government's role, in many ways, is to stimulate and to encourage and to thank people who have taken it upon themselves to either start character education, or go into classrooms and to change society one person at a time.

Q Mr. President, my name is Marvin Nash. I represent the Bullying Hurts Program, and the NASH Foundation, which stands for "No Adolescent Should Hurt," from Cheyenne, Wyoming. I want to let you know that I will be traveling back to Nashville, Tennessee, where Storme Warren, with Great American Country, and Charlie Daniels will be helping me make PSAs to address this issue. Instead of talking about my program, I want to give my time up to this lady right here. She spent seven -- she spent her time with 17 students locked in a closet at Columbine, and she has a question for you. So we're not going to talk about me, we're going to talk about her.

Q Mr. President, Madam Secretary of Education, Marleen, Craig, and everybody else, my name is Judy -- I'm just a regular person. I don't have a radio talk show. (Laughter.) And I don't -- I'm not in charge of a big major organization. I am a flight attendant for Frontier Airlines, and I'm shaking right now because I didn't think I was going to get up here. And I'm also a proud, retired teacher from Columbine High School.

And I think everything I was going to say just kind of flew out of my mind. I'm also a professional volunteer. And I am not here to ask for money for any program. When I said, professional volunteer I don't mean I make money volunteering, but there are a whole group of just regular people like me out there. Even though I retired from Columbine, I have a daughter at Columbine right now who is a junior. I volunteer in the post-grad center there. I volunteer with the cheer squad, the football team, and it doesn't always take a lot of money to get things done. It's little people like me. I don't mean in size. I mean, it's little people like me who get there, little people like us. Like Grand Daddy Wong used to say, okay, one stick, you break it one at a time, but if we stick together, we can get it done.

I'm just saying unless us volunteers -- I always have time to volunteer, and I know other people do, too, and it's what Craig was saying, it comes from the heart. President Bush, it's what you were saying. It's what our parents taught us, and it's what we need to teach our kids. It's that -- I hope I don't pronounce it wrong -- generativity, where we help to make the next generation better. So I'm sorry I forgot what my question was. (Laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT: What matters is your testimony, not your question. Thank you. (Applause.)

Last question, and I've got to go. He's also reminding me, actually I'm on a schedule here. I apologize. I'd like to sit here all day, listening, and I am inspired that so many came to talk about this subject.

Q Good afternoon, Mr. President, Madam Secretary. I'm a youth programs director in New York City for a nonprofit called Art of Living Foundation. And like a lot of these wonderful people here, we teach a program in human values and stress management for teenagers and how to handle their negative emotions, which they just don't learn I'm finding nowadays. And what I have students constantly asking me is, can't this be a class in our school? Can we learn human values and universal ethics that are found in every culture, but they're not being taught -- a lot of times not at home, they're not being taught. And they're definitely not always being taught in schools. There's some amazing public school teachers, but there's also some very stressed-out public school teachers.

Q Can this be -- is there a way to have a class in public school where students learn stress management and the ability to deal with their own anger, frustration and violent tendencies, and also to learn human values and actually practice them? Can they receive credit for a class like this? This is what students are asking, and I have superintendents coming to me saying what can you do -- we'll give credit to students for doing this. Is there a way we can do that?

SECRETARY SPELLINGS: Well, those are state curriculum issues, and lots of states have included character education or programs like that as part of their required curriculum, and give credit for it. But I would commend all those superintendents to their state board of education and put them to work. We had some of that in Texas and gave a lot of credit for peer mentoring and those sorts of things that are so supportive of kids.

THE PRESIDENT: I am sorry for those of you standing in line. I know, I apologize.

Q My name is Michael H. Smith, and I'm the president for Family, Career and Community Leaders of America. We are an in-school, high school, and middle school organization focusing on the family. Our main mission is to promote family as the basic unit of society.

And I'm happy I got to follow up after your question because we are -- family consumer sciences -- its curriculum in high schools and middle schools is teaching character education, that is teaching youth violence prevention. We're teaching career exploration. Because of our title, Family and Consumer Sciences and Family, Career and Community Leaders of America, we address every one of the issues that's been presented in the discussions and in this room. And we are willing and wanting to partner with every single person in here to help students get this message out to students. We're about peer-to-peer message sharing. We want each and every student in our organization, which reaches about a quarter of a million students, to be a lot broader than that. We want to touch every student in America through our programs and through our mission to promote family as the basic unit of society, and the values thereof.

Q Why the red coat? (Laughter.) Just so you got called on? I mean, is there a -- (laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT: I, once again, apologize. I've got to get on an airplane. But I do want to thank you all for coming. I hope you have found this interesting. I am a results-oriented person, and I expect from Margaret and Al to make sure that out of all this effort comes some concrete action to help people understand what is possible, what is doable, the programs that are working. And the head of the Sheriff's Department readily sprung to his feet to say, you can count on me.

The purpose has got to be more than just hoping somebody is listening to TV. The purpose has got to be, out of this that we share information so that we can save lives, encourage parents, and help people respond.

And I want to thank you all very much for coming. I'm proud you're here. God bless you all. (Applause.)

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