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Denial and Deception

Excerpts from the Press Gaggle by Scott McClellan, February 10, 2003 (Full Transcript)

QUESTION: Is the President hoping an Iraqi audience will hear these words? I mean, is this geared toward pressuring Saddam into, you know, leaving office?

MR. McCLELLAN: I think it's -- well, as you mentioned, obviously -- and as Condi Rice and Secretary Powell mentioned, talked about yesterday on the shows, if Saddam and his cronies were to leave Iraq, that would be a positive development. But, you know, it's important for the international community and Americans to know what Saddam Hussein is doing, the type of person that he is.

QUESTION: Are you preparing this proposal to give him 48-hour notice to flee Baghdad?

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    MR. McCLELLAN: What we are doing -- and as Condi pointed out, there is a period of intensive diplomatic discussions going on as we remain in this window of diplomatic opportunity. But, again, the --

    QUESTION: And is that -- one of those discussions?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think those are discussions that will be had in consultations with Security Council members and others around the world. And I'll leave those discussions to them. I don't want to prejudge those discussions.

    QUESTION: You'd support that idea?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, what we're focused on -- and, remember, it goes back to what the President said over the weekend. And this is about disarmament. This is about 12 years of deceiving and denying and cheating and retreating and playing hide-and-seek. And those games are over. And the President has made that very clear. And now this is an opportunity for the United Nations Security Council and the United Nations to show its relevance; 1441 is very clear in what it says. And Saddam Hussein has continued his defiance of the international community. And this is a moment for the Security Council to come together and show its relevance. And we will not put up with any more games of deception and any more games of hide-and-seek, as the President has made very clear.

    QUESTION: What about NATO's role? Belgium now says it will veto any attempt to provide help to Turkey to defend itself. Is this something the administration can live with, or is it a major obstacle?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Two points. We support the request under Article IV of Turkey. And I think it's important to note that the request from a country under Article IV that faces an imminent threat goes to the very core of the NATO alliance and its purpose.

    QUESTION: What can you do about this veto threat?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, again, I think what's important to remind NATO members, remind the international community is that this type of request under Article IV goes to the core of the NATO alliance.

    QUESTION: Is this some kind of ultimate test of the alliance?

    MR. McCLELLAN: This is about an imminent threat.

    QUESTION: Who's going to do the reminding to NATO?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I just made some comments regarding that and, obviously, we will work through NATO, as well.

    QUESTION: So what's the significance of that, it goes to the core -- I mean, what if it's rejected?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Again, we support the request by Turkey under Article IV.

    QUESTION: Is the United States prepared to give Turkey more military equipment if NATO nations don't, to protect --

    MR. McCLELLAN: Let's see what happens.

    QUESTION: Scott, is there some evidence of the Iraqis positioning military troops or weapons among its civilian population?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, that's what I just noted, that Saddam Hussein is already taking steps. And this is what the President will talk about, as well, in his remarks --

    QUESTION: No, I understand, but what I'm asking is --

    MR. McCLELLAN: -- to pre-position his military forces.

    QUESTION: -- what's the evidence? Is it -- are we getting the evidence from reports on the ground, or is it satellite, or is it -- what is it?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, again, I'm not going to go into intelligence information that we're getting there, but that's intelligence matters.

    QUESTION: Is the President going to provide any backup, or is he just going to make the charge?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, we know the type of person that Saddam Hussein is; we know his history; we know the intelligence that we've received and reports that we've received. This is a brutal dictator who has a long history of using civilians to further his own purposes, and has a long history of defying the international community and using civilians to further his own purposes.

    QUESTION: So no evidence of --

    MR. McCLELLAN: I just noted that our intelligence and reports that we have indicate --

    QUESTION: But you won't provide that?

    MR. McCLELLAN: -- indicate that he is pre-positioning military forces, and we know his history, as well, doing this in the past.

    QUESTION: I just want to be clear, Scott. When you say you support the request of Turkey --

    MR. McCLELLAN: Yes.

    QUESTION: -- you're talking about the request for discussions of a possible imminent threat?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Their request under Article IV.

    QUESTION: Right, as opposed to a request for equipment or NATO --

    MR. McCLELLAN: Request under Article IV.

    QUESTION: Did comments yesterday from Blix and ElBaradei tell you about Friday, what to expect out of their report?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I'm not going to prejudge their report. But I think Secretary Powell addressed this at length yesterday, as well as Condi. And this is a -- if Saddam Hussein is not making a drastic change in course in showing that he is going to disarm, then this is, as the President pointed out, a moment of truth in the United Nations Security Council, and then the discussion will become what are the serious consequences imposed on the regime in Iraq and on Saddam Hussein. But, again, I don't want to prejudge the report.

    QUESTION: What about Hans Blix's -- and your reaction to his statements -- shown some more cooperation --

    MR. McCLELLAN: A little bit here and a little bit there, is not going to get it done for Saddam Hussein. No more games of cheat and retreat. No more games of deception. The President has made that very clear. And there's a short period of time left. This is a time for the United Nations Security Council to show its determination to enforce 1441.

    QUESTION: Did Blix get anything done, then, over the weekend?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I noticed he made some comments a short while ago in response to a question about more inspectors. And Dr. Blix said that, and I quote him, "The principle problem is not the number of inspectors. It's, rather, the active cooperation of the Iraqi side." And I think that's the message you've heard from administration officials yesterday, as well, that this isn't about inspections. This is about disarmament. And if Saddam Hussein was going to comply and going to disarm, we would see that out of him already. Whether it was 100 inspectors, or 300 inspectors, that's not the issue. The issue is disarmament and there is a short period of time left before this United Nations Security Council must address and enforce 1441.

    QUESTION: Any particular diplomats being dispatched from the U.S. to go to Belgium, France, Germany? Any particular efforts there to --

    MR. McCLELLAN: There of a lot of intensive diplomatic efforts going on right now. I just gave you -- you can check with the Department of State and others.

    QUESTION: Is the President likely to be working the phones --

    MR. McCLELLAN: I don't have any more update on that.

    QUESTION: -- with Chirac and Schroeder those other leaders this week?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, we'll update you on calls as they happen. As I did this morning, we always update you on calls and meetings. Again, you've got Prime Minister Howard this afternoon.

    QUESTION: You said, repositioning troops. Where is he putting them, in villages and --

    MR. McCLELLAN: In civilian populations.

    QUESTION: But, I mean, are these troops like regular army or --

    MR. McCLELLAN: These are military forces.

    QUESTION: But I mean if he's scattered them through the country, will they not be less effective as a military force?

    MR. McCLELLAN: You know, I'll leave that to others to address.

    QUESTION: Scott, what about Russia, France, Germany acting, coordinating their positions to seek more time for inspectors?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Saddam Hussein has had 12 years and 90 days now, and yet he continues to defy the international community. The question is how much longer are we going to wait to enforce 1441. And will the United Nations follow through on its demands on Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi regime. That is the question. Will the United Nations show it's relevance by enforcing 1441? There is a short period of time left for Saddam Hussein to disarm before the United Nations Security Council must come together and show its relevance by enforcing 1441.

    QUESTION: Do you view it as a power grab or --

    MR. McCLELLAN: Sorry?

    QUESTION: Do you view their coordinated response as some kind of power grab? And if --

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, look, there are a lot of diplomatic efforts going on right now and there's a lot of discussion going on. Again, it comes back to the question of the United Nations Security Council and the United Nations showing its relevance and enforcing its demands on the Iraqi regime. How much longer do we wait after 12 years and 90 days of cheat and retreat, deny and deceive, hide-and-seek?